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The good man's benefit of the doubt is the bad man's plausible deniability.

Thanks for thinking out loud Lydia - there is a desert of cultures, techniques, and places that solve these problems right now.

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I spent my early 20s (2000-2006) in a problematic cult and all that entails. I read *Yes Means Yes* shortly after leaving as part of my effort to understand that experience and found Thomas Macaulay Millar’s writing there—which ultimately lead me the YMY blog and links to your work. I remain a person who shows up in offbeat mediation halls and churches and community meetings and am deeply interested in what it takes to create an effective, basically healthy group.

Which is all to say, this post was deeply interesting to me.

I appreciate you emphasizing that there are predictable patterns that allow abuse and manipulation to happen across a variety of domains. One of my ongoing frustrations is when people get overly focused on their own sub-culture and or on a single area of concern (e.g., sex, money, leadership) and don’t ruthlessly reflect on what structures create positive group norms in any context. We truly cannot stop creating new communities around new ideas. What have we learned, practically, about what works and what doesn’t? Where are the people who are obsessed with on-the-ground application?

It’s definitely not just about screening out “evil people” or “sociopaths” or finding “perfect rules.”

A few general heuristics I’m currently working with: engage in regular, even somewhat formal or awkward, practices of sharing and listening to each other when the stakes are low; practice disagreeing about small things and feeling what it’s like to be different; assume it’s never an option that someone else just goes away or stops existing forever; assume any situation is workable; award social capital to people who are highly skilled at conflict facilitation; train in these skills so they remain available even when the stakes get high.

But this list is short. It’s not nearly sufficient to counteract how easily we can manipulate and break each other. But, as you write, it seems undeniably true that “small attempts at relating” can have an outsized positive impact.

I suppose I remain hungry for people who are taking these topics seriously and not giving up because solutions are not immediately obvious. I refuse to believe there is no other option but to repeat the same destructive patterns over and over again. I am always interested in people who are iterating and learning new things.

Thank you for staying with this topic and pushing forward.

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